Nosedive And Feed Angle In The 1911 .45 ACP

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Science Comes To The Rescue To Help
Explain This Frustrating Problem

Brad Miller, Ph.D.

You finally get to the range for some fun. You insert the magazine, rack the slide, and — it jams. The round has nosedived into the feed ramp and stopped dead.

These types of malfunctions are frustrating, but can often be cleared with a whack to the gun. In severe cases, you have to drop the magazine and start over. But why do rounds nosedive? Don’t they feed at the same angle as the magazine’s feed lips? Nosedive is not limited to 1911’s and is common to pistols with single column magazines and some double column magazines. Let’s explore just why this is.

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The classic nosedive, here shown in a 1911 platform. While all may look fine
initially, once the slide moves forward and begins to strip off the top round,
the round is often forced “down” due to several factors, often “jamming” nose-first
(nosedive) into the feed ramp.

The Nosedive Gap

Nosedive stoppages usually occur with more rounds in the magazine. As the number of rounds diminishes, so do nosedive problems. This is because the angle of the rounds in the magazine is different depending on how many rounds are loaded. As more rounds are loaded, their angle changes and they don’t point as high, becoming more perpendicular to the back of the magazine.

At some point, a gap appears between the front of the top round and the one under it because they take on different angles. This gap gets bigger as more rounds are added, at least in most magazine designs. The gap means the top round is free to pivot, which is what happens during a nosedive. The bigger the gap, the greater the potential nosedive.

Why does the nosedive gap form? The rounds are slightly offset because they lie at an angle. The rim of the top cartridge is positioned over the extractor groove of the underlying cartridge. The pressure from the magazine spring encourages the top round to tilt upward.

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Here we see the size of the nosedive gap as the number of rounds increases
(small white arrows under top cartridges). The number indicates the number of
rounds in the magazine. There is no gap with two rounds, but a small gap is
present with four rounds, and it gets larger as more rounds are added. Note
the underlying cartridge changes angle.

Mechanics of Nosedive

Several forces contribute to ensuring nosedive when there is a gap. First, the slide only pushes on the upper base of the cartridge since that’s the only portion above the frame. This lop-sided contact enhances downward tipping. Because the cartridge’s rim is in the underlying cartridge’s extractor groove, it would have to push the underlying column of rounds deeper into the magazine in order for it to move forward without nosediving. This would require considerable force since they are heavy and under spring pressure.

Instead, the rim increases drag and encourages the round to tip downward as it moves forward until it lies against the underlying round, or the bullet nose hits the feed ramp, whichever comes first. As a consequence, the round’s feed angle is close to the angle of the underlying round.

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The illustration shows the top round’s rim inside the underlying round’s
extractor groove when the nosedive gap is present. The small blue region
illustrates the path the top round’s rim would have to take to move forward
without tipping. Cartridge drawings are based on SAAMI specifications.

Feed Angle

Since the size of the gap and the angle of the underlying round depend on how many rounds are in the magazine, each round feeds at a different but predictable angle. The first round out of a fully loaded 1911 magazine nosedives the most and hits lowest on the feed ramp because it has the largest gap. Subsequent rounds have smaller gaps and they hit higher and higher on the feed ramp as the round count wanes. The last round from the magazine feeds at the highest angle.

Cartridge feed angle was measured in the laboratory and at the shooting range in a single column 1911 pistol with Federal American Eagle 230 grain FMJ ammunition with an average overall length of 1.263″.

In The Lab

The gun (with the firing pin removed) was held in a vise and was video recorded with a high speed digital camera (1,000 frames per second) as ammunition was stripped from the magazine and chambered. All rounds from a fully loaded magazine were video recorded as the slide stop was released and the slide shot forward under recoil spring pressure.

Video of 186 rounds (24 full magazines) was analyzed for cartridge angle. Measurements from the video determined the round’s feed angle, which is its lowest angle prior to hitting the feed ramp. Magazines with 7- and 8-round capacities from Colt, Clark, Kimber, McCormick, Springfield Armory, Tripp and Wilson Combat were used.

Measured feed angles are shown in Figure 4. The left (Y) axis of the figure is the feed angle of the cartridge relative to the angle of the magazine’s feed lips. With eight rounds in the magazine (far left), the cartridge nosedives the most and its average angle is 8.5 degrees below the angle of the feed lips (-8.5˚). Subsequent rounds have progressively higher angles. The last round (round one) has an average feed angle of 0.5˚, which is only slightly higher than the angle of the feed lips (0˚).

If there was a nosedive gap, the round nosedived. Always. The change of angle closely matched the size of the gap. Sometimes it was less, sometimes it was the same, and sometimes it was more. Yes, there were clear examples of nosedive without a nosedive gap. The forces causing nosedive can be strong!

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Feed angles measured from slow-motion video. Feed
angle is the lowest angle the cartridge achieves
prior to hitting the feed ramp.

Live Fire

Feed angle was also measured at the shooting range. The gun was fired in a Ransom Rest and 155 rounds were video recorded.

Feed angle was about two degrees higher during live fire. Why? During live fire the top cartridge tends to be just forward of the rear of the magazine when it is pushed up to the feed lips. When the cartridge is farther forward, it does not have as much distance to travel before it hits the feed ramp. The round’s forward positioning could be due to movement from recoil and/or being dragged forward by the slide. The higher feed angle during live fire might help to explain why some people experience nosedive stoppages during hand cycling but not so much when shooting.

Summary

Nosedive is normal in single column magazines because of how rounds stack. As more rounds are added, cartridge angle changes, which ultimately affects feed angle. As a result, each round feeds at a different angle. Double column magazines are less prone to nosedive if they are properly designed to prevent the nosedive gap from forming.

Editor’s Note: We all know the 1911 platform can be very reliable. It’s important to understand there’s a need to experiment with different magazines to find which combination works best with your particular 1911, or other auto pistol. Live fire is an important part of that testing due to the many variables encountered during live firing versus hand-cycling. Chances are good, factory-supplied magazines may likely work best in a particular platform. Roy Huntington, Editor, American Handgunner

Resources
ANSI/SAAMI booklet Z299.3-1993. American National Standard. Voluntary Industry Performance Standards for Pressure and Velocity of Centerfire Pistol and Revolver Ammunition for the Use of Commercial Manufacturers. 1993. Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc., Wilton, Conn. USA.

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14 thoughts on “Nosedive And Feed Angle In The 1911 .45 ACP

  1. Dave

    “Nosedive stoppages usually occur with more rounds in the magazine.” Guess I’m an outlander on this one. The vast majority of stoppages like this in over 30 years of wranglin’ 1911’s were with the last rounds in the magazines.

    1. I-Gunny1951

      When last round FTF’s occur on a regular basis replace magazine springs. The most frequent probable cause of springs losing tension is leaving magazines fully loaded for extended periods of time. When replacing magazine springs “bite the bullet” and “spring” for the best quality on the market. Then rotate mags on a regular schedule such as 3 days loadef, 4 days empty to extend spring life. All semi-autos require proper magazines and spring tensions to function correctly. That includes recoil or driving springs as well as mag, mainsprings, and firing pin return springs. Physics demands the springs have correct rates and tensions due to the very design engineering of a pistol. They are very forgiving fortunately, and perform well even when these properties are outside of design parameters- just not as perfectly as the designer intended. The required qualities go away so gradually that we tend to overlook them as most likely cause of failures.
      Just a gunsmithing proffedional’s take on the subject.

    1. Tony

      Wilson combat mags are good but are not controlled feed. The lips release before extractor has complete control. They work good but…..by accident.

    1. Gun Guy

      See the Spotlight ad in this Jan Feb issue of American Handgunner on the “Gun Pro Sure Fire” mags or, Google Gun Pro Magazine.
      The best of the best. They just simply work!

  2. Jim Guigli

    I found long ago, regardless of the number of rounds in the magazine, that tight magazine lips produce nose-dives, and loose lips produce live round stove-pipes. Yes, quality Wilson, McCormick, etc magazines work very well, but plain old GI magazines work perfectly if the lips are properly adjusted. Like Goldylocks said, “Not too tight, not too loose, but just right.”

  3. Jon

    Great article. Would love to see the slow-motion photography.

    The article points out that nosediving is a certainty, and the tests were done with a variety of mags, but it seems that for the vast majority of folks jamming isn’t the certainty the above leads us to believe. How’ve we gotten along this far? Mag design? One hundred years of gun design? I see the standard disclaimer of matching mags to guns, but you would think jamming would be more frequent overall based on the article.

  4. Sam Summey

    Nose dive failures in my experience (I’m a gunsmith) are caused by an extractor tunnel is so dirty that the extractor does not function properly. Most folks don’t understand that the extractor does not snap over the rim but it slides under the extractor. Too much tension caused by a dirty tunnel or an untuned extractor causes too much pinching/friction on the cartridge rim and the case is not allowed to slide under the extractor. When it does not slide vertically, parallel to the top of the magazine lips, the nose dive occurs. You need from 5-20 inch pounds of tension on the cartridge rim as it slides under the extractor for the feeding to take place properly.
    A extractor is not a drop in part, it usually needs tuning.

  5. Joseph

    I have a new Wolff spring in my original 70 series Colt Combat Commander magazine and the last round has started nose diving IF I load the mag using one of the mag loaders. This happend not matter how many rounds I load. If I load by hand, no nose dive.

    I am new to the 1911s so any help with with what is going on would be much appreciated. I don’t want to simply change mags. I want to understand what is happening.

    Many thanks.

  6. Lui Pestana

    Its a good point, the position of the top round is basically the same in all automatics. I have played with springs and different spacers to achieve the right angle needed for proper feed. I have adapted the magazines for my browning hi power, Taurus PT92 and my SW 5906 to be interchangeable. They work pretty good, not flawlessly every single time when in their non production pistol, which is why I don’t use them that way for normal firring but it is nice to know if I had to I could. All you need to do once the top round position problem is solved, is cut notches in the magazines so it will lock into their non brand pistols. By the way I am not a gunsmith so I’m sorry if I am not supposed to be able to do this.

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